Curse

Faer · Sep 26, 2010, 09:33 AM // 09:33

Because some people actually enjoy playing Guild Wars for the sake of playing it.

Nekodesu · Sep 26, 2010, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by _June

Agree 100%

He knew what he was doing and could have chosen to keep his mouth shut. Rules are rules and he broke them. The AT is just a game, and Anet doesn't care about it, it's not more important than enforcing their rules and nobody should be immune to it. Nobody should be immune to punishment for their actions at any point in time, as that would just serve to undermine Anet's authority.

/closethread

Second agree.

He just got what was comming and deserved, and honestly, I'm sure for whatever reason he got banned for, the way he was banned wont make him do it again : D

*roflz*

Missing HB · Sep 26, 2010, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by Theocrat

Because some people actually enjoy playing Guild Wars for the sake of playing it.

Yes , but to be honest , PvP gets more and more boring after time ( and yesterday MaT even contributes to support this idea... )

AexIndex · Sep 26, 2010, 09:49 AM // 09:49

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Originally Posted by Nekodesu

Second agree.

He just got what was comming and deserved, and honestly, I'm sure for whatever reason he got banned for, the way he was banned wont make him do it again : D

*roflz*

LoL! You don't even know what was said to him, everyone has a trigger point at which they go off, keep pushing it and everyone will do the same.

So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.

_June · Sep 26, 2010, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by AexIndex

LoL! You don't even know what was said to him, everyone has a trigger point at which they go off, keep pushing it and everyone will do the same.

So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.

Are you serious?

Everyone is capable of stepping away and calming down, it was his fault he got pushed to make the comment, if indeed someone else started it, but given the ego problems involved with high end gvg, I highly doubt he was provoked and therefore fought back in a defensive manor..

seriously..you don't get perma banned for one insult...so hello?
he was a repeat offender mate..you can't defend him..

**edit**So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.

^
Hypocritical statement, because neither do you..

fowlero · Sep 26, 2010, 09:57 AM // 09:57

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

I find I have to agree with this. If you let someone into your team who is breaking the rules, you have to pay the consequences when they get banned in the middle of the match. That team had no one to blame but themselves.

The rulebreak was swearing/bad language, noone in any PvP team is gonna think (previously) "oh no we can't take him now". People can say that's the own fault of the team, but that's stupid.

Especially if rumours to be believed that it was the team that they beat in a previous single elims match who all reported him for bad language, that got the ban. Which is essentially anet participating themselves in match manipulation, though granted its a bit of a silly extension to say but the point remains.

I personally am not defending the ban, rulebreaks are rulebreaks but they really should've checked/waited the extra 19 minutes. Anet themselves clearly don't completely agree with the way things were carried out else the match would still be on obs.

Also to everyone making these stupid comparisons, if a football player commits a foul in a previous game he should be stopped from playing his next match, or after his next match. Not during.

Nekodesu · Sep 26, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by AexIndex

LoL! You don't even know what was said to him, everyone has a trigger point at which they go off, keep pushing it and everyone will do the same.

So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.

All humens are able to walk away from trash talking, unless you got agression problems, and if you do what are you doing on a game!!!!! : )))) Cause that sertantly can't be healthy.

Example; If somebody hits you, you don't hit back(Common sense), right? Well, it's the same with trash talking, if somebody tries to piss you off, how about putting him on ignore ~ lal

And how do you know if I didn't know what was said to him?

_June · Sep 26, 2010, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by fowlero

The rulebreak was swearing/bad language, noone in any PvP team is gonna think (previously) "oh no we can't take him now". People can say that's the own fault of the team, but that's stupid.

Especially if rumours to be believed that it was the team that they beat in a previous single elims match who all reported him for bad language, that got the ban. Which is essentially anet participating themselves in match manipulation, though granted its a bit of a silly extension to say but the point remains.

I personally am not defending the ban, rulebreaks are rulebreaks but they really should've checked/waited the extra 19 minutes. Anet themselves clearly don't completely agree with the way things were carried out else the match would still be on obs.

Also to everyone making these stupid comparisons, if a football player commits a foul in a previous game he should be stopped from playing his next match, or after his next match. Not during.

If a soccer player (or football as we say here in europe) gets a red card, they are removed from the game, and a perma ban in gw is the equivelent of a red card, a temp ban would be a yellow card, we can safely assume that the person in question had received many previous "yellow cards" to warrant a perma ban on the grounds on vulgar language, as this is one of the least seen reasons to permanent bans.

And yes, it is the groups responsibility when it comes to their players, because they know the person and they know how they behave, because they have played with them before, it would be different if it was a first time "pug" guest, but it was not. They knew he had a temper/reputation for a foul mouth and chose not to confront them about it for the best interests of the guild...

Elnino · Sep 26, 2010, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by _June

Are you serious?

Everyone is capable of stepping away and calming down, it was his fault he got pushed to make the comment, if indeed someone else started it, but given the ego problems involved with high end gvg, I highly doubt he was provoked and therefore fought back in a defensive manor..

seriously..you don't get perma banned for one insult...so hello?
he was a repeat offender mate..you can't defend him..

**edit**So when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.

^
Hypocritical statement, because neither do you..

Dhuum pops up even if its a temporary suspension. We don't know whether it's temporary or not. So . . .

when you don't know what went on! Shush! And stop making dumb assumptions.

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Originally Posted by upier

Why would they continue having mATs after that betting-thing was cancelled?
Seems kinda pointless.

Because people still enjoy GvG and play for the competition, not the prize? The MaT's weren't implemented to make people money. It was to cut costs.

Grand Theft Ecto · Sep 26, 2010, 10:07 AM // 10:07

They could have issued that (72h?) ban 20-30min later and noone would've cared. Bit excessive to ruin the final with it. The player involved is a fool to take the risk though. Would be interesting to know if they intentionally pulled dhuum out in the final to make a statement, or if it was a random coincidence?

It is certain that future mATs will have less flaming going on, or well, just the next one at least.

Most of these comparisons above are on par with comparing a stolen car to downloaded music :|

_June · Sep 26, 2010, 10:08 AM // 10:08

I'm not here to start a verbal fist fight.

Proof it was a temporary ban? or this thread is pointless and should be closed as it doesn't matter.

**Edit** the point is that he was made an example of, and that this should serve as a warning to anyone else who is thinking about replying rather than ignoring or stepping away, now if Anet would just do the same for the alliance battle crowd which seems to be full of nazi symbol spamming 12 year olds.

fowlero · Sep 26, 2010, 10:12 AM // 10:12

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Originally Posted by _June

If a soccer player (or football as we say here in europe) gets a red card, they are removed from the game, and a perma ban in gw is the equivelent of a red card, a temp ban would be a yellow card, we can safely assume that the person in question had received many previous "yellow cards" to warrant a perma ban on the grounds on vulgar language, as this is one of the least seen reasons to permanent bans.

And yes, it is the groups responsibility when it comes to their players, because they know the person and they know how they behave, because they have played with them before, it would be different if it was a first time "pug" guest, but it was not. They knew he had a temper/reputation for a foul mouth and chose not to confront them about it for the best interests of the guild...

And in both those situations, it would affect the game he was playing in. My point is the red card wouldn't be punished to him in the next game he played, it would be in the game where the offense was carried out.

The red card wouldn't have been pulled out in his next game for the previous games offence.

But enough of dumb comparisons as i said before.

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Originally Posted by Grand Theft Ecto

They could have issued that (72h?) ban 20-30min later and noone would've cared. Bit excessive to ruin the final with it. The player involved is a fool to take the risk though. Would be interesting to know if they intentionally pulled dhuum out in the final to make a statement, or if it was a random coincidence?|

If they were making a statement the obs would've been left in obs. Which makes me think it was random coincidence, of which they're not too impressed about.

Elnino · Sep 26, 2010, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by _June

I'm not here to start a verbal fist fight.

Proof it was a temporary ban? or this thread is pointless and should be closed as it doesn't matter.

We don't know whether the ban was temporary or permanent (unless someone who knows him can clarify). But we do know that you get Dhuum spiked even if it's a temporary ban.

Here's a link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usYzl...layer_embedded

Notice that it says that he will be able to log back in after his block expires

*lemming* · Sep 26, 2010, 10:27 AM // 10:27

It wasn't a permaban.

_June · Sep 26, 2010, 10:29 AM // 10:29

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Originally Posted by Elnino

We don't know whether the ban was temporary or permanent (unless someone who knows him can clarify). But we do know that you get Dhuum spiked even if it's a temporary ban.

Here's a link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usYzl...layer_embedded

Notice that it says that he will be able to log back in after his block expires

So now what? the thread should be locked until someone who claims to know him posts if it was a temporary ban? lol

But I stand corrected with the temp ban then, still doesn't change my stance on the matter as he could have restrained himself in previous occasions if indeed that was were the offense took place, my opinion hasn't changed.

Kook~NBK~ · Sep 26, 2010, 10:43 AM // 10:43

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Originally Posted by fowlero

Especially if rumours to be believed that it was the team that they beat in a previous single elims match who all reported him for bad language, that got the ban. Which is essentially anet participating themselves in match manipulation, though granted its a bit of a silly extension to say but the point remains.

A-Net doesn't simply take the word of the person(s) reporting EULA violations. They review chat logs and all that good stuff to verify that a violation actually occurred. So, it was his bad language that got him banned/suspended. A-Net has also been known to suspend other (unreported) players when they find other violations during the course of hteir investigation. It is also known that they will suspence players for abusing the /report feature.

*lemming* · Sep 26, 2010, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

A-Net doesn't simply take the word of the person(s) reporting EULA violations. They review chat logs and all that good stuff to verify that a violation actually occurred. So, it was his bad language that got him banned/suspended. A-Net has also been known to suspend other (unreported) players when they find other violations during the course of hteir investigation. It is also known that they will suspence players for abusing the /report feature.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Adrin/Bias_Number_1

fowlero · Sep 26, 2010, 11:15 AM // 11:15

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

A-Net doesn't simply take the word of the person(s) reporting EULA violations. They review chat logs and all that good stuff to verify that a violation actually occurred. So, it was his bad language that got him banned/suspended. A-Net has also been known to suspend other (unreported) players when they find other violations during the course of hteir investigation. It is also known that they will suspence players for abusing the /report feature.

Sorry i worded that wrongly, i didn't mean to say the offense wasn't there.

Artisan Archer · Sep 26, 2010, 11:29 AM // 11:29

"mAT? What's that? I didn't know we had tournaments in Guild Wars?"

Anet showcasing some epic management skills.

SongOf · Sep 26, 2010, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Here's my take:

One guild is a loser because of some idiot who blew winning gold for the team by getting banned...

The other guild is a loser because they didn't 'rightfully' win the gold by playing what could have been an amazing final match

The fans are losers because we don't get to watch a decent MAT through to the very end (...AGAIN)

Anet is a loser because the fans lose even more respect for them by allowing a ban at the shttiest time possible

Now I'm all for banning the dude if he violated any terms, but everybody is a loser when you activate bans (automated or not) in the freaking middle of a tournament match...especially finals! AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A SCRIPT/BOT RELATED BAN: Do it BEFORE the match if you insist, or after if you can't.

And to all the analogies with other sports games: the difference with GW is we can't simply replace the banned player with another in the middle of a match.